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 CONTENTS

 

   
 INTRODUCTION TO THE 1950s

1949 sort of marked the end of one chapter at 3rd Gidea Park and the start of another. The Troop had recovered from the disruption imposed by the Second World War. Camps in foreign countries were now back on the agenda and more photographs of the group start appearing in the archives again as the cost of equipment and developing became affordable.

One other change is that by 1950 we are increasingly seeing mention of young people who seventy years later are still in fairly regular contact with the Group.  The story of the 1950s and early 60s is the story of what caused those gentlemen to establish a lifelong connection with the 3rd Gidea park.

   
 1950

JANUARY WINTER CAMP

Navestock Camp

The year started with a Winter Camp in January at the group's Navestock camp site. The camp report consists of a set of cartoons drawn by the campers. They reveal a detail about the hut that isn't obvious from any of the surviving photos. It appears to have previously belonged to the London North Eastern Railway.

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By deciphering the depictions we can deduce the following. It appears that the Scouts cycled to camp carrying their kit in rucksacks. The first Scout arrived at 3:00pm and had a fire going with a billy of water on it by 3:15. The last Scout arrived at 4:00pm with two flat tyres.  It was dark by 6:00pm but the singing began shortly after.  By 8:00pm the troop were in full voice and a lamp had been found.  By 8:30 there were two fires with two small groups of Scouts and a one dog singing around them.  Prayers were said at 9:00pm. It is assumed they slept in the hut as no tents are depicted.

They were up at 06:30 and were greeted by a red sky.  Exercises were conducted at 08:00am followed by more cycling and lunch cooked on the fire at 1:00pm.  They left to cycle home between 4 and 5:30pm.  The camp was attended by Bo’sun (Ted Butcher) and six Scouts, John Paisley, David Hunt, Bill Girlwood, Gerald Marwood, John and David Sixsmith.

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ANNUAL REPORT

The group annual report for 1950 includes reports from ex scouts including Dr Tony Levy who has accepted an offer to setup a research department of his own at the University of California. All the Scout leaders in the troop were noted as also working in other groups with Bo’sun E. Butcher now Scout Master of 1st Harold Hill. Doubling up wasn’t limited to the leaders either, three of the Scouts were also members of other troops.

We had 48 Scouts in the troop plus another 4 away on national service. Eight of the Scouts had gained their first class awards during 1950 bringing the troop total at the time to 23 which was 10% of the first class scouts in the entire county.

The 2nd class award was at this time regarded as basic training by Scouts and needed to be completed within one year of joining. With ten of our Scouts having passed the 2nd class award 3GP had a relatively highly trained troop enabling us to partake in some ambitious camping.

As well as the January camp, the group’s site at Navestock was used at Easter for a ten day camp for our younger Scouts led by the Cuckoo's Patrol Leader. The rest of the troop became the first UK Scouts ever to camp in Sicily and we were the first that year to camp in Italy. The Romford Recorder from Friday April 21st 1950 had a detailed report written by F.W. Rowswell running to three and a half columns covering the escapade. A summarised version can be read on our Summer Camp Page. A note regarding this camp also appeared in the Easter Sunday edition of the Sunday Times. Summer camp took place at Bryn Moel Llanycil Bala in Wales and a report of that is also in our Summer Camp Section.

In total four camps were held that year which enabled Derek Hayward to become the 6th member of the 3rd Gidea Park 100 club having completed over 100 nights .

The swimming gala at this time was held on Thursday evenings which Mr Rowswell felt was a disadvantage for 3GP as our members struggled to attend our weekly meetings let alone a 3 hour gala. However 3GP still managed to win the district gala by an increased margin. The troop went on to provide half the swimmers for the district team which won the county gala.

The report for 1950 ends by explaining that the early Easter of 1951 means that not all Schools were scheduling the Easter break at the same time and so not all Scouts would be able to participate in the booked trip to the Italian Riviera. This seems to be part of the motivation for booking a second foreign camp in 1951, this time in July to the Arctic Circle. The trouble was, the 1951 festival of Britain was proving so popular with Scandinavians that it was difficult to book cheap passage across the North Sea.

The December 1950 Parish Magazine describes how the Scouts spent Autumn weekends on a "festival of cooking" which included grouse and other birds as well as scones and sweet dishes, all cooked on open fires. During September the troop had visited Hampton Court to visit the palace gardens and row on the Thames. The article concludes with details of the 1951 camp to the Italian Riviera and how parents are welcome to travel with the Scouts taking advantage of the cheap group travel arrangements but staying in hotels.

 

   
 1951

We don't have many photos from the late forties or early 50s but we do have sketches. The above is from the 1951 January Camp at our Navestock site. What makes it particularly interesting is it depicts what was probably the group trek cart. This may be the only depiction in our archive of where that red cartwheel, which to this day, 70 years later still clutters up our store.

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The pictorial depicts a 4:50am moonlight football match and it looks like the journey home with trek cart was also undertaken in the dark.

The Annual report for 1951 explains that it was another successful year of camping with five more Scouts joining the 3GP 100 nights away club. That made eleven in total, eight in the six years since the end of the war. The five new members were Ian Frost, David Hunt, Michael Jones, Allen Matthews and Malcolm Pattrick. News from old members included that our first troop leader Roger Murley was now happily married in Venezuela and that David Wellington had left California University to serve with the US forces in Korea.

On the leader front, Mr. A Smith had to retire from the role of Cub Master but formed what looks like the first Group executive committee and was voted in as its first secretary. Mr W. Clay became the new Cub leaders but seems to have had no assistants. In 1950 it was reported that the 3GP Assistant Scout Leaders were all helping other troops. By 1951 it seems the other troops were taking priority over 3GP and we needed new assistant leaders to replace them. Mr Rowswell was back in the familiar situation of being the sole Scout Leader.

During the year, it seems all of the elite Cobra patrol left Gidea Park to become farmers however they still returned to the troop on vacation. Including the partly absent Farmers, the troop membership was now at 50. 22 were first class and 18 second class. Half the troop were over the age of 14 and 1/3 over 15.

SWIMMING

Mr Rowswell noted that in 1951 the number of Scouts gaining Royal Life-saving society awards was down on previous years and more effort would required in 1952. They still managed to reach a total of 40 Scouts having gained one or more awards since 1948.

Swimming training was still paying off in terms of district gala results. Mr Rowswell outlined progress as follows.

  • 1946 – Scored 6 points only.
  • 1947 – missed cup by 3 points only.
  • 1948 – missed by 1 point only.
  • 1948 – won by 8 points,
  • 1950 – won by 9 points,
  • 1951 – won by 13 points with a total of 34.

Unlike today, our leaders were able to take great pride in our gala achievement because the boys had largely learnt to swim through the Scouts. The County neglected to hold a gala in 1951 but that could be because the unbeatable Romford District had held the trophy for 25 years.

 

CAMPING

When it comes to Camping, the troop rather excelled itself in 1951. In April we camped on the Italian Riviera, but five Scouts also camped at the Navestock campsite at Easter.

 
 
 1952

The Group annual report for 1952 starts by explaining that the great event for the year was our first stage presentation. On May 16th the whole group took part in a presentation of Ralf Reader’s “We’ll Live for Ever” at the Lambourne Hall.  600 people paid to see this performance and photos appeared in the local press.  Later in the year some of our group took part in the District Show. The St Michael’s Guides also assisted in the show.

Gang Show
PHOTO: A.F. Hambleton - "Don't Be Afraid of the Rain" Paul and Allen Matthews & Chorus

Advertise
PHOTO: A.F. Hambleton - "Advertise" Alan Jones & Chorus

Finale
PHOTO: A.F. Hambleton - "Finale"
 

Mr A. E. Hobson produced our show and subsequently during 1952 became an Assistant Scout Leader and acting Rover Leader. Meanwhile our retired Cub-master and inaugural Group Secretary Mr Smith had married a Miss Pauline Jones and appeared to move to East Dulwich.
4 Members of the Cobra patrol were invested as Rover Scouts but including those four, we had 51 invested Scouts, 23 were First Class and 23 2nd. The average age was over 14. 14 Second class badges were gained during 1952 but due to the focus on putting on the show only 3 first class.

Roger Bell, Colin Banks, Paul Mathews and Norman Meakins all joined the 100 nights away club and Allen Matthews was noted as setting a probable record for a UK scout for distance travelled to and from camp with a total of 16,000 miles with the Troop.
Two of our cubs, David Goss and John Clay were mentioned in national and Local newspapers for finding and tracking an alleged housebreaker on June 15th.

SPORTS

The District revived its own Scout swimming club which helped us gain even more Royal Lifesaving Society Awards. During 1952, 8 Scouts gained the Bronze medallion and 8 the Intermediate level which meant that 40 members of the present troop held one or more awards.  

Both the Troop and Pack won. The troop gained fewer points than in 1951 but this was possibly due to the re-establishment of the District club. Mr Rowswell commented on the improved standards of the opposition.  The Margin of Victory was still 14 points and the total troop score of 30.5 was still higher than any other troop has ever managed.

The Troop also won the district Scout Sports cub in 1952 with a margin of 6.

CHURCH PARADE

The February parade fell on the Sunday after King George’s passing.  The Colour Parties advanced to the alter in solemn step with flags dipped and draped.  At this time it was custom for Scouts to be invested after Church parade and Rodney Panting became the 1st Member of 3GP to make his promise to “God and the Queen” It seems that Rover Scouts were invested in the Lady Chapel.

In the accounts it is noted that a Gestetner rotary duplicating press was kindly presented to the group by Radio Luxemburg.

MR ROWSWELL'S TROOP

During 1952 the Chief Scout visited Scouts in Ilkley in Yorkshire. He realised that he recognised the Assistant Scout Master Roger Mathews. Roger explained to him that they had met four years previously when the Chief Scout had visited the Brentwood School and 3rd Gidea Park troops at the School. At this, the Chief Scout replied “oh yes, I know - Mr Rowswell’s Troop”

 
 1953
Letter

The letter on the left was sent to group members in 1953. It contains the lyrics of three songs to be sung at the Group Show that year.
At the bottom it explains that “Troop night rehearsals will in the main be devoted to production numbers”; and so smaller numbers will need to be rehearsed in peoples houses. It is asking parents to indicate what evenings they would be willing to allow small groups of Scouts to rehearse.

Birds of a feather

LEADERS
The report for the year starts with the news that we had an assistant cub master at last in the shape of Mr Peter Wall and two additional assistant Scout masters in Alan Tomes and Michael Everett although Alan departed on national service during the year. 

ROVER CREW
The crew now had 20 members including our Scouters and some who were registered with other groups. Albert Hobson was the Crew leader and meetings had been taking place in members houses until a Den was obtained. Mr Thompson of Arden Cottage, Junction Road had kindly allowed the use of a shed in his garden for this purpose. Leslie Page had taken on the role of Rover Mate from John Paisley and Michael Everett.

During the year the Crew helped at the county camp for disabled Scouts, cooked for the District Patrol Leaders Camp at Gilwell and collected for the Greek Earthquake Fund.

The Den
A picture of the building that would become the crew den before the Rovers got their hands on it. To the right can just be made out the Lodge Farm Park fence.

GROUP EXECUTIVE
The Committee had arranged a second show as well as Whist Drives and a Jumble Sale.  The 2nd Gang Show entitled “All Hands Aboard” was produced by Albert Hobson and Michael Everett.  It included Solo, duet and Trio performances as well as the usual group numbers.

TROOP MEMBERS
3GP had 51 invested Scouts arranged in seven patrols. 20 were first class including 3 Queens Scouts and another 20 were second class.  Mr Rowswell commented that 3GP was averaging about 1 Queens Scout per year. It doesn’t sound much but against a national backdrop of only about 30 per year it looks quite good. The number of first and second class Scouts is down on the previous year partly due to a continued focus on the gang shows and partly because Scouts started moving on to Rovers at a slightly younger age.

As well as the usual hikes and rail trips a couple of trips were made for rowing at Roydon and Norwich. This prompted four of our Patrol leaders to undertake a four men in a boat camping voyage from Richmond to Reading and back during a week in September.

The troop took part in the Coronation displays in Raphael Park and Harold Hill, building huts and setting up displays on International Scouting.


SPORTS
Before the Romford District Scouts Swimming Gala, the troop entered the Romford Town Swimming Gala where they won 6 medals. We weren’t the only Scout troop who took part as 3GP lent two Scouts for another troop’s relay team.

At the District sports the Scouts won with 24 points and a 5 point margin of victory.
The Troop won the district Swimming Gala as did our Cub Pack. The troop scored 36 points and enjoyed a 22 point margin of victory.

CAMPING
The campsite at Navestock has been abandoned after local vandals burned down the hut. A report of the April trip to Rome can be found here and includes a brief account of how we managed to feature in National newspapers after being robbed while camping outside Rome.

At Whitsun the pre-war district camp at Havering was revived. 3GP sent ten Scouts and two leaders. The Sunday dinner was a banquet lasting one and a half hours and consisted of:

  • Pavese Soutp (a Bolognese speciality in which eggs are poached and which is then sprinkled with grated cheese)
  • Sole a la Colbert (The soles were skinned and filleted in camp and served with anchovies and lemon sauces)
  • Roast Guinea Fowl with peas and roast and boiled potatoes
  • Treacle Sponge Pudding
  • Camp Scones and Cheese.
  • Coffee with the beans ground using Scout Staves.

 

 
 1954

DEN

The group annual report for 1954 starts with a description of the Rover Crew log cabin and how it allowed the crew to meet on a weekly basis for the first time. All old Scouts were welcome and the crew grew to 20 members. Old trophies and souvenirs were starting to decorate the walls and so the Den was described as becoming a sort of life size log book.
Also impacting the Crew was the departure of the Crew Leader Bert Hobson, pictured above with Mrs Thompson at the opening of the Den. Bert moved away during 1954. His impact on the group was significant being instrumental in getting the Den renovated and putting on the gang shows.

ANTHONY LEVY

During 1954 the group learned of the passing of Tony Levy. He gave his life rescuing a friend from a crevasse on Mount Olympus Washington State USA.  
Scout History Here

Anthony Levy joined the troop in October 1937 having transferred from the Brentwood School Troop. He passed his second class on 5/3/1938 and his first class on 28/2/1939. He was awarded the Bushman’s Thong in July 1939 (First Class Scouts + Camper badge + one of (Explorer, Stalker, or Tracker) + one of (Forester, Naturalist, Pioneer, Starman, Weatherman) Green and Yellow Chords (2nd Class Scout and 6 Proficiency badges) in March 1939, Red and White chords (1st Class Scout and 12 Proficiency badges) in October 1939 and Gold Chords (1st Class Scout and 18 Proficiency badges) in 1941. He also became PL of the cuckoo patrol. It was Tony's family that first provided meeting places for the group when unable to meet at St Michael's during the war.

Tony was a research chemist who by the age of 30 was leading a department at the university of California.  After his death, members of the troop together with Tony’s former patrol second Mr P. Medcraft who by then was A.S.M. of 4th Gidea Park formally dedicated to his memory a sea provided by his mother close to his former home in Heath Close. 

Bench
PHOTOGRAPH: Lancelot Vining.
 

Dedication of Memorial Seat to Dr. Antony Lewis Levy PhD B.Sc who lost his life in a gallant attempt to save a friend on Mount Olympus Washington USA.

A similar bench stood near by on Main Road near the Nat West Bank (Richer Sounds) which was dedicated to his father Dr Victor Levy who died in 1941.

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Picture of Tony taken on Summer Camp in 1939.
 
CENCUS

A seventh patrol (Herons) was formed as the troop had grown so much. This was in addition to the Cobra patrol. Two of our 56 Scouts were Queens Scouts, 23 were First Class, 23 were Second Class. The County Commissioner awarded the troop a Sea-Axe pennant for an efficient Patrol System.

CAMPS

The Troop held a January Camp in Margaretting and each patrol held a patrol camp at either Easter or Whitsun.

GREECE
In April 3rd Gidea Park became the first troop in its own right (as opposed to being part of a national contingent) to camp in Greece. During this trip the troop made a recording, at the Athens Radio studio of songs and speeches. This was eventually broadcast on May 17th, but could not be received in the UK.

Athens

SWITZERLAND
The first August camp was at Schaffhausen and St. Moritz in Switzerland where the Troop camped at 6000ft (1800m) altitude.

Swiss

The end of August camp was at Llyn Crafnant. The location on the shore of Llyn Crafnant could have been Cornel Farm Scout Campsite, location of Summer Camp 1992 and Easter Camp 2008.

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3GP Scouts and Llyn Crafnant - Easter 2008
 

The 1954 camp included many walks in the welsh mountains including a 20 mile ramble to the top of Carnedd Llewllyn which at 1061m is the second highest mountain in Wales. They also did a two day hike to the summit of Snowdon where the station staff kindly let them sleep on the station.

Prompted by the experiences in Athens and assisted by Radio Luxembourg, the Troop decided to make a gramophone record. They recorded six songs and one Yell on a ten inch record which was sold by the Group to raise funds.

Several members of the group are noted as helping with the 4th and 8th Romford Groups.

CUBS

The 36 cubs were described in the annual report as being proficient, cheerful and keen. The Assistant Cub Master was absent on National Service and so members of the elite Cobra Patrol were helping with Cub meetings.

 
 1955

To celebrate 21 years since the first Scouts were invested at St Michaels, the group held its third show which M.J. Everett produced. The Rover Crew now led by Henry Alexander had 20 members and in 1955 won the District Trophy for Adventure, research and service. The Crew helped out at the carnival with the operation of the children’s roundabout and other sideshows. A winter camp at High Rocks near Tunbridge Wells for a climbing course was arranged by John Paisley.

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On February 16th 1955 F.W. Rowswell was awarded the Medal of Merit by the deputy Chief Scout. These days, the Award for Merit is "Awarded for outstanding service. It implies keen, conscientious, imaginative and dedicated service over a sustained period, of at least 12 years duration."

By 1955 Mr Rowswell had been a warranted leader at 3GP for twenty one years. For large periods of that time he had been the sole leader keeping both the Scout Troop and cub Pack running. He had been a leader in Portsmouth before that. He was also a leader of the Brentwood School Troop. He had consistently produced more first class Scouts than any other troop in the district and for a lot of the time more than any other troop in the County. He had helped national headquarters with international matters and run 15 Troop camps abroad as well as attended one World Scout Jamboree. Some may suggest that 75 years later, the criteria for the awarding of the Medal of Merit in Romford District is only marginally easier.

Medal 2

Members

The Troop had 55 members three of whom went up to Rovers at the end of the year. 22 Were first class and 26 second class. The Average age of the troop members were 14 years of age with 21 over 15 years of age. Having a high average age is always regarded as a sign of a good program being run.

CAMPS

The Troop once again made history by being the first UK troop to camp in Malta. This made us the first UK troop to camp in any of the Queens overseas territories. The report for the camp can be found here.

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3GP and Brentwood Troops in Malta.
 
Ireland

The first Summer Camp was in Ulster on the estate of the Duke of Abercorn. His Grace welcomed the troop personally and introduce them to his guest, His Royal Highness The Duke of Kent. At the end of the camp the troop were given a tour of the Art Treasurers in the house by the Duke and Duchess and Lady Moyra Hamilton. The Station Pub at Liverpool Street (Hamilton Hall) is named after the Duke’s family as one of his ancestors had been a director of the Great Eastern Railway Company.

A late Summer camp was enjoyed in rain-less weather at the lovely Bisham Meadow site, on the Thames near Marlow. Plenty of rowing and cooking was done. The oarsmen successfully navigated several locks reaching Medmenham and Bourne End in the course of their exploration. Cooking was lavish indeed, the dishes including Pavese Soup, Soles Colbert, Anchovy Sauce, Roast and Casserole Scotch Grouse, Treacle Sponge pudding (a real Mrs. Beeton dish) and Eggs Talleyrand (with goose-liver paste and truffles) The cost of feeding on this camp was four shillings and six pence a day; point this out to potential imitators, remarking also. that one shillings worth of meat bones provided all the soup for the whole week, and no tea or butter was bought, on account of high prices.

A week's patrol camp was also arranged in September in the Chilterns.

Expeditions and Explorations

As is the case now, Scouts had to complete over night expeditions to complete the highest badges. As well as facilitating expeditions during camps, expeditions were also run on the North Downs, the Chilterns and Leith Hill and Hindhead Commons.

Awards

A quarter of the year was spent preparing the stage show which left little time for general Scout training and so it wasn't until the end of the year that any first class badges were gained by Five Scouts with John Ames also gaining the rare Scout Cord. In order to maintain quality in the troop it is decided that all Patrol Leaders and Seconds need to be First Class Scouts.

Cubs

Our Cubmaster, Mr W.Clay moved away in the autumn after four years. He was remembered for his keen cub camps and his Swimming teaching for two years. In September the pack welcomed back our assistant cub master, Mr P. Wall, an old Scout of 3rd Gidea Park and former Troop Leader of Forest School. He took over as Cub master but appeared to live in Braintree and had to travel back to 3rd Gidea Park every Tuesday. Scout Instructor John Ames and Rover Instructor David Sixsmith were assisting.

B.P Guild.

The annual report explains the groups desire to start its own B.P Guild. It explains that at this time the Guild was a separate organisation to the Scout Association and unlike Rovers not regarded as a training section.

 
 1956

To be continued....

 

 

 

 
 1957

 

 
 1958

During 1958

 
 1959
1959,