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 SUMMER CAMPS - THE 1940s
It's all about Summer Camp.
Everything the Scouts do is getting ourselves ready for summer camp. This page lists as many of our summer camps during the 1940's as we can remember.
 
 
 1949 - AUGUST
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1949 1949
One of the Holiday Run-About rail tickets used by the Scouts.

WHERE: Isle of White
BASECAMP: Island Association's Site at Shalfleet (Probably Corf Camp)
NUMBER OF SCOUTS: 25 from 3GP + Brentwood School.
HIKES: Overnight hike (Without Tents) via Westover Down, Brightstone Down, Chale, Niton and Godshil 25 miles. It is noted that 4 Scouts including A. Matthews did an extra night and another 20 miles all without tents.
NOTES:

A nighttime game on the Railway Vidauct. (Not to be recommended as the Railway didn't close until 1953)


 1949 - APRIL
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1949
WHERE: Switzerland
BASECAMP: Chanivaz, Buchillon near Morges in the Canton of Vaud
Described by F.W.R in the Romford Recorder as being a thick woodland in the grounds of a private villa with its own beach and boathouse.
NUMBER OF SCOUTS: 24 from 3GP + Brentwood School & 1st Alresford Troop!
HIKES:  
NOTES:

Our first camp in Europe since the war.

The below report by F.W. Rowswell appeared in the parish Magazine.

ST. MICHAELS SCOUTS IN SWITZERLAND AGAIN.

The local. Press has given an account already to which we only need to add some other items of interest.

As usual, a record of observations was kept, which shows that birds observed included osprey, nuthatch, grebe, buzzard, alpine chough, swallow, house-martin , woodpeckers (greater green, and lesser spotted) , cuckoo and nightingale. Animals adder, grass-snake, lizard and squirrel. Plants included gentien, wood-anemone, wild strawberry, comslip and the ubiquitous vine.

We saw a great deal of mountains and glaciers. On the Gornergrat, at 10,200 feet altitude we found ourselves overlooking seas of glaciers, with a mile long moraine in action (if that is the correct word) , carrying masses of rock, scooped from the mountain slopes, down-hill at the rate of one foot a year—the world's oldest, slowest, and surest conveyor belt. The customary overnight mountain top camping was done again. Neil MacCuilum 'and E. White ascended the Jura above 3,000 feet, but eventually pitched tents on an artillery range.

Prices in Switzerland were not greatly increased since the war in terms of native currency in fact, a twenty-year-old Baedeker proved remarkably accurate. Chief expenses in foodstuffs were butter (five shillings a pound) and meat (four to seven shillings). The Swiss are almost as much compulsory vegetarians as ourselves. Their cooks show commendable skill in providing meatless menus. Because of these prices, we were cunning enough to take our own rations with us to keep down prices. This succeeded to the extent of making the cost of travelling, food and red-tape as low as £6. 10s.

We were very fortunate with the weather. Snow had fallen two days before our arrival, but we enjoyed a hot, rainless, sun-burning fortnight, and rain fell heavily the day after we left. Our first post-war visit to the Continent a great success in every respect and we hope we can be as fortunate again.


 1948 - AUGUST
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 1948
Camp Site on Goat Fell Summit (874m)
WHERE: Scotland
BASECAMP: Brodick (Isle of Arran)
NUMBER OF SCOUTS: 23 from 3GP + Brentwood School Headmaster!
HIKES: Goat Fell
NOTES:

Visit to HMS THESEUS - Colossus-class Light Fleet Aircraft Carrier.
First Mention of Alan Matthews attending a camp.

Ascent of Goat Fell


 1948 - APRIL
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1948 1948
WHERE: Ireland
BASECAMP: Cahir Park County Tipperary
NUMBER OF SCOUTS: 12 from 3GP + Brentwood School + 1 from 1st Ingatestone and 1 from 2nd Billericay
HIKES: Galtymore 
NOTES:

First visit to Cahir by British Scouts.
Pictures above are a Rubber Dinghy on River Suir and the camp site.


 1947 - SUMMER
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WHERE: Scotland (Cairngorms)
BASECAMP: Aviemore
NUMBER OF SCOUTS: 16 from 3GP + Brentwood School
HIKES: Lairig Ghru(835m)
Braeriach (1235m) - Just a 20 Mile Evening Hike!
Overnight camp on Cairn Gorm
NOTES:

One night on top of Cairn gorm.
The large number of Scouts was assembled despite sending four 1st Class Scouts to the World Scout Jamboree.

FROM THE GROUP ANNUAL REPORT

In August we visited Speyside, Invernessshire, camping at Coylum Bridge, near Aylmer. Of this camp we recall the almost endless daylight, the perfect weather, the expeditions afoot lasting until early morning, the long swims across the lochs; the ascent of Braeriach (4248 ft.) the Larig Ghru pass (2730 ft.) and its snowfield (3700 ft.); the visit to Ross-shire, Inverness and Loch Ness and the repeated returns on the night mail; the ascent of Cairngorm (4084 ft.) and the utterly unprecedented over-night camp, without tents, on the summit; the Venturer badge journeys with a night in the heather on the Byvoan Pass (1600 ft.); and the culminating achievement -F H. Shelton and J. Thorpe in climbing Cairngorm, descending the 1400-ft-precipice beyond and camping under the shelter-stone by Loch Avon. The disused log-book cover from this remotest hiding place in the British Isles now adorns the Troop den, We were the first Scout Troop to make a real exploration of the only extensive area of Britain which lies 4000 ft. above the sea. Among the denizens of these heights were ptarmigam, dotterel, red-deer and mountain hare; at lower levels we recorded a wild-cat print.


 1947 - APRIL
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WHERE: Ireland (County Wicklow)
BASECAMP: Powerscourt near Enniskerry
NUMBER OF SCOUTS: 13 from 3GP + 14 from Brentwood School & 1 from 1st Ingatestone
HIKES: Great Sugar Loaf (501m)
Djovce Mountain (725m)
NOTES: 2nd English troop to visit the republic of Ireland since the 2nd World War.
2nd English troop to visit Powerscourt Twice.
1st Scout Troop to camp under canvas in Eire in April.

FROM THE GROUP ANNUAL REPORT

In April we revisited Powerscourt, County Wicklow, Eire, for the first time since 1936, and were the first April campers ever to set up there. In fact, we were only the second British Troop to visit Eire since 1939. We endured an incessant five-day gale without disturbance, a record for rough weather even in this Troops camping history. The usual mountain ascents were made: Djouce Hill (2400 ft.) and Great Sugar Loaf (1700 ft.). Our chief recollection is of abundance of food, and a return to pre-war quantities.


 1946 - AUGUST
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1946
Troop Leader's (Ray Dallas) Hut
WHERE: Black Mountains
BASECAMP: LLanthony Post Office
NUMBER OF SCOUTS: 16 from 3GP + Brentwood School.
HIKES: Waun Fach (811m)

FROM THE GROUP ANNUAL REPORT

In August, the Troop camped in one of England's loneliest and most mountainous villages: Llanthony, Monmouthshire, among the highest ridges of the Black Mountains. One of our neighbours proved to be Reg Gammon, the well-known artist of the "Scout" and "News-Chroniole." An immense amount of climing was done, for the hills rose steeply to 2000 feet from the site. Among the hikes made were a 2-day 30 mile trip to Hay, in the Wye Valley, and an ascent of the summit (2660 feet/810m) 8 miles distant, which was climbed in rain and mist; the party steered their way back by compass and survived a 24-hour in the course of which they cooked supper, breakfast amd dinner without missing or spoiling a single dish. As a triumph over wetand sunless weather, this camp has no equal in the Troop's history; despite the immense amount of cooking due to bread rationing, not one meal was missed or even curtailed, and no food was spoiled. Apart from exploring at 2000ft altitude, time was found by some Scouts for building huts on the ground and in trees.

Amoung living things observed were wild horses, red squirrels, pine marten, polecat, badger, fox, mountain-lark, several unidentified alpine insects and the rather rare plant known as bog-cotton.


 1946 - APRIL
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WHERE: Isle of Man
BASECAMP: Glen Mona
NUMBER OF SCOUTS:

15 from 3GP + Brentwood School + Scouts from 1st Rettendon & 1st Ingatestone.
3GP Scouts includes T/L Ray Dallas and Patrol Second Brian Frost.

HIKES: Snaefell - 1 night on top!
NOTES: Believed to be 1st UK troop camping over seas after WW2. Others turned up in the following days.

FROM THE GROUP ANNUAL REPORT

In April, the Troop camped by the seaside in the Isle of Man. This was the first visit of any English Scouts to the Island since 1939. High standards of camping were maintained, and many Scouting activities were enjoyed, such as raft-making, rowing, hiking and climbing. Memorable journeys afoot were those to Dhoon Glen (above cloud level much of the way), Ballaglass Watermill, Maughold Lighthouse (where machinery was started up for our benefit) and, above all, the 2-day hike over Snaefell Summit (2034 feet/619m), camping there, and along the mountain road to Peel, giving us views of the Scottish, Irish and English mountains on the way.

We greatly admired the comfortable and efficient H.Q. of the Manx Scouts, where we were lodged for our,last night on the Island.


 
 1942-1945
1945 No Noteable Camping
1944 No Noteable Camping
 
 1943 - SUMMER
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WHERE: England - Ashdown Forest
BASECAMP: Broadstone Warren
NUMBER OF SCOUTS: ?
REPORT: The Summer Camp at Broadstone Warren was excellent while it lasted, but after a week, the camp chief’s right-hand men were taken to hospital with chicken-pox, another with scabies, and one-third of the party were kept as suspects. There was no alternative to the decision to return home. As it happened, only two of them were retained beyond the returning day; but the camp nevertheless had to be ended after only a week. Dennis Newman and Tony Levy cycled to Snowdon, North Wales and spent a week in adventurous mountaineering at Idwall, including real crag and rock climbing,  So on the whole the grand old 3GP tradition was maintained.

 1942 - SUMMER
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WHERE: England - Ashdown Forest
BASECAMP: Broadstone Warren
NUMBER OF SCOUTS:  
HIKES:  

 1941 - JULY
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WHERE: England - Lancashire. The Lake District
BASECAMP: Wray Castle on the West shore of Lake Windermere
NUMBER OF SCOUTS: 25 3GP Scouts + Brentwood School
HIKES: 3 spent the night at Tarn Hows
3 spent a night on an island in the lake (11 years after Swallows & Amazons was published)
4 Spent the night on Esk Hause (759m)
4 Spent the night on Scafell Pike.

 1940 - JULY
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1940
WHERE: Llanstephan (Radnor) near Boughrood, 10 miles downstream from Builth Wells.
BASECAMP: Llanstephan Castle Estate
NUMBER OF SCOUTS: 18 3GP Scouts + Brentwood School

 1940 - APRIL
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WHERE: Essex - A Cycle tour and camp.
BASECAMP: Thorrington Scout Camp Site (Colchester Local Association Training & Camping Ground. The site opened just two years earlier in 1938)
NUMBER OF SCOUTS: 5 Scouts

 CAMPING RECORD
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PRE WAR CAMPING ACHIEVENTS BY MEMBERS OF 3GP

List of Scouts who camped for 100 nights or more between 1946 and the end of the 2nd World War.

  • Douglas Pyne (1936-41)
  • Anthony Levy (1938-41)
  • David Walker (1937-41)
  • Cecil Caldwell (1935-39)
  • Roger Murley (1935-39)

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